Thankyou Jim, Thats the info I was after, my paternal grt grandmother was Frances Mary Jane Foley Garton. She married John Arrowsmith Bromley, they were both born in Victoria, Australia and moved to N.Z. I wasnt able to find out anything further back from Richard Garton. I would like to know where the family were from before OZ. Any more info you have would be lovely. thankyou Kaye.