Dorothy, You have just sunk my entire navy. Perhaps I'm totally confused about this Halbert line and the number of Joels etc. Please explain to me as I have used John's postings a great deal. What I have is this--- William Halbert, born 1682 married Mary Cook, born 1677, father John Cook. Their child is: Joel born 1712 married Elizabeth Frances Jones. Are we talking about the same group of people? Please get me on the same page as everyone else.