HI Jeremy, Sorry for the long reply. THis one got missed... What you wrote is what I have been told. We dropped the Von when we came to Australia. Its German name from what I've been told. That is about as far as I know! So John Von Harder was adopted by the Dick (yes, poor fellow! hard enough in these times let alone years ago - and our two names together would be a trifle worrying!) family and did he change his name when landing is Aust, reverting back to Harder or Harders? I didn't know about the 's' on the end.