I am not related to the Harms name but researching Esch I found a John Harms living with Henry & Sophia Engelmann-Esch on 1880 Census for Green Garden Twp, Will Co. He was 16, a farm laborer b. Mecklenburg. So looking into Harms I found the following 3: (hopefully it may help someone): 1)John H. Harms 37, farmer, b. Hannover wife Louise 28, b. Mecklenburg, 2 kids: John 2, b. IL and Lizzie 1, b. IL. Also residing with them was Loiuse's mother Sophia Wieting 78, b. Mecklenburg and Ludwig Sandrock16, b. IL a farm laborer. 2) Hinrich Harms 26, farmer b. IL wife Marie 22, b. IL, 1 child: Marten 3/12 b. IL and Hinrich's widowed father-Henry 64, b. Oldenburg. 3) Living next to Hinrich: Hermann 38, farmer b. Oldenburg wife Friedrica 33, b. Oldenburg, 7 kids all b. IL: Henry 13, Bernhard 10, Alvine 8, Emilie 6, Edward 4, William 2, and Anna 6/12.I hope this helps someone out there!