Jim, I have seen a few of your postings on the ancestor sites and wondered if you have a copy of the "Hartsell/Hartzell/Hartzel/Hirzel" geneology book written by our distant cousin, Eunice Sechler. You are obviously descended from the brother of my own ancestor, John Hartsell, who fathered all of the prodigy who's names are spelled with an "s" instead of a "z" Eunice did some thorough research though when it comes to ancestors who are common so far back as 1580 she'd done her homework well.. She ends up following only our own immediate family line for obvious reasons since by the time she started her own research generations of his descendents were multiplying by thousands at a time. One most interesting note though came through a fact I'd discovered while researching my mother's family (Purcell/Esch/Ash/Ettwein/Hess) on and on there with names of earliest founding fathers (mothers) who'd settled in the same area of PA when arriving here from Germany/Switzerland to occupy William Penn's Pennsylvania colony (at his invitation and sometimes cost of transportation) Several of our ancestors on both maternal and paternal sides ended up in the same CHURCH where careful records had been kept by those same ancestors. I was amazed while reading our Hartsell history to see that my 8x grandfather, John, had stood as a godfather for a baptized child my mother's 8x grandmother had also been named as godmother for near Easton, Pa. While researching my husband's mother's family I find even more strange "coincidences" as his roots are there within 18 miles from my own as his Mennonite ancestors were closely related to our Moravian/Church of the Brethren because of a Protestant Reformation that drove them out of their own countries into a place where promise of religious freedom forced them to find refuge. It's fascinating history for anyone who wants to know how we ended up in America ourselves. It's good to see you are insisting on the same kind of proof as Eunice had while researching the roots of our family trees and how we can know who our actual founding father was as far as which "brother" or "cousin" had been responsible for our line. She had to correct a few former genealogists and well respected family historians to get it all "right" but refused to back down in her own fight to defend the honor she felt our John deserved ..she definitely was RIGHT in the end as we have now been able to uncover such mysteries through lots more proof than she'd had when she started her search. thanks mainly to Eunice and others who'd done a more diligent study we now have evidence of her findings. All that said I wondered if there is a study right now for Hartsell/Hartzel/Hartsel/Hartzel family who would like to become a part of some kind of group study. I have Purcell and other family names who are doing similar DNA projects to what you may have mentioned here but I know so little about this I'm wondering where I should myself get started and how to kill the most birds with a single stone, you might say. Not wanting or able even if I did want to pay a fortune in the process.