Are you in the Pennar/Hasbrouck line of family by any chance??Since I posted that message I have now gotten a lot of information. Including a copy of that brief history on the Pennar family as told by Elmira by Gertrude. I am Marion Pennars greatgrandaughter. Her father is Alexander Pennar. Are we somehow distant relations? I am from Sacramento, CA. But I now live in Washington State. I just recently received a compilation of linages from the 15th century forward from a wonderful lady who has been helping me with this.