sorry i havnt heard of those but i got in contact with a person from me;lbourne who has 2 extensive family trees on a 2 groups of haysoms who arrived in melbourne. one from washington state! its all very interesting huh... strange how we are related in some way. do u know of any famous or outstanding haysoms?? i havnt tracked many down yet because im only 17 and have school but its al very interesting!