I'm chasing Johannes Helmuth (ABT 1768??), I believe to be Frederick's (Oct 3,1794) father.Try www.gedex.com/users/geiser/hostetlr/d0001/g0000085.html.I found it to provide a bit more information than most.With Anna Yoder (b.?), Frederick had 8 children but none named Fannie b.Dec 12 1832? (maybe a middle name?).He also was married to Elizabeth Miller (b.?) and had 5 other boys (Daniel, Noah, David, Samuel and Frederick. Birthdates unknown)Also, check www.masthof.combook1168-Amish immegrants of Waldeck and Hesse by John M. Byler.I believe Helmuth (described as Hellmuth)and Yoder were mentioned.It may be good.