Well, Clive, you have lightened my spirts with your belief that the proof is still awaiting discovery. My wife and I plan a trip to England/Ireland, perhaps, in a couple of years and maybe I will be the hero to find the proof! My wife was born in Liverpool, 12/25/44. Her name is Christine Brenda Cullum. BTW. I thought Eileen had sought out the records of James and John's crossing, to no avail?