I just looked for James on AncestryUK. Found him and Alice in 1881 in Cunscough(?) Lane, Melling, Farm labourer with children Ellen 4, Ann 2 and John 8 months.Looks as if they are naming their children in the usual fashion after grandparents so Alice's mother may be Ellen. Went back a page to look at the neighbours and foundEllen Pope widow 50(?)Laundress with children Margaret 25, Robert 11, Josephgrandson 7, Agnes dau 6. Will search for this family in earlier census's if you wish.