Peter, I am not a relative, but my wife descends from Thomas Hopley (1802-1871) who married Frances Arrowsmith. Both of these persons born in England. Their son, Peter Hopley, was born in 1847. This is about the time that the Hopley's were trying to get to America. Some of the older sons were born in England, but my info indicates that Peter was born in Iowa. Also, Peter married Edna Everlyin Iowa. In all fairness, Edwin was b. 1852 in England and died 1853. In addition, a report of the shipwreck of the Black Hawk was in 1854. So this, also, seems to indicate possible bum dope that I received in a family history re the birth place of the Hopley/Arrowsmith children which were most likely to have been born before the immigration to America by the parents. I'll stick by Thomas being the patriarch, and husband of Frances Arrowsmith, and father of Peter.