This is in reply to your emails with Charlie in 2001. I am "Johnny somewhere in Brighton", as referred to by Charlie ! [He and I have never met. Hi Charlie !!!]
He is my first cousin Ted's son [Edmund C.S.] I think I have traced the family back to my great-great grandmother, Elisabeth b.1811.She appears in the 1851 Census for Warwick, England, address Warwick Street, Warwick, as head of the family, aged 40, together with her children, Edward
b.1834, Sarah, b.1836, Jane, b.1837,and Anna Maria, b1846.
Elisabeth was born in Ashford,Hef, which I take to be Hereford. It appears she came to Warwickshire with her sister,Anna Maria, b. Ashford 1810, as Anna Maria married an Edmund Ivens, b.1814 at Leighthorne. So 2 sisters married 2 brothers. A similar pairing happened much later, when my Father, and Ted's Father, John Harris Ivens, and Arthur Stanford Ivens, married 2 sisters, Lorna and Eileen Jarrett respectively.
The reason I am fairly sure Elisabeth and Anna Maria were sisters apart from their Birthplace, is that they called their children after each other's children.
Edmund and Anna Maria's children were Elisabeth, b 1839,
Sarah b.1844, Richard b.1846, Anna Maria b.1847, Jane Hannah b.1849,and Louisa b.1850.
Elisabeth and ??? Ivens's children were Edward, my Great Grandfather, b.1834 at Snitterfield, Warwickshire, Sarah b.1836, Jane b.1837,Anna Maria b.1846, all at Snitterfield, as per the 1851 Census.
The reason I haven't the name of Elisabeth's husband, is I assume he must have died before the 1851 Census, but in, or after 1845, as Anna Maria was born in 1846.
Edward, I know, was my Great Grandfather, as his 3rd child, Edmund b.1869 at Maidstone, Kent, was definitely my Grandfather, and I met 2 of his sisters,Ada,and Kate [Kitty], many years ago, when they lived in Worthing, Sussex.
The 1841 Census for Warwickshire should reveal Edward's Father's name,as Edward was born in 1834. I haven't got around to checking Marriage records,as I have yet to work out how to !!
It is interesting to see how often the name Edmund appears in the Ivens Families in Warwickshire. Most Families seem to have been farmers and one was a butcher.
From the 1851 Census there is Edmund b.1805, Farmer 491 acres, born Long Itchington, Warwickshire, Address: Farmer's House, Ufton.
Edmund b.1814, butcher,b. Leighthorne Warwickshire-- This is surely Elisabeth's Brother-in Law, as the children are as named above for Edmund and Anna Maria.
Edmund b. 1833,son of William. Edmund was b.at Hampton Lucy, Warwickshire. William b.1790 at Church Over Warwickshire. He farmed 190 Acres. Address only given as "Barn House".
Edmund b.1848. His Father, James, a Furniture Broker b.1808 at Upper Shuckburgh, Warwickshire. Address given as : Market Place, Warwick.
Edmund Masters b.1843 at Grandborough, Warwickshire. His Father,Thomas C. b. 1810, Married to Elisabeth. He was a farmer of 60 Acres at Farm House, Prices Marston,Southam, Warwickshire.They had 8 children aged between 12 and 2, listed in the 1851 Census,5 of which were boys. George Coleman b.1841, Edmund b.1843, John Henry b.1844, Coleman b.1845,and Walter Watson b.1847.
Then there's Edmund R b.1839 at Highgate, Middlesex, son of William and Frances of Daventry Street, Southam Warwickshire. He was b.1812 at Wolfhamcote, and is described as "Farmer out of Business".
I hope this may help in some way,and also help others trying to trace various Edmund Ivens who came from Warwickshire.
If anyone can help fill in many of the blanks, or take the Family back before Elisabeth b.1811 and her Husband ???, I would be most interested.
With best wishes, [John Richard Ivens b.29 June 1939, London, son of John Harris Ivens b. 20 December 1908 died 10 october 1988, and Lorna Sylvia Ivens b.19 April 1917 died 16 June 1999.] I am now from "Somewhere in the Pyrenees"!!