Both born in NY of Russian jewish parents who came to NY around 1890 as BOTH sons were born in NY. NO info on their mother's surname but first name was Ida. Great-grandfather started out as peddler in NYC and ended up with chain of antique shops. Was married 4 times,but no other children. Both Louis and Joseph married. Louis (and Edna) had daughter Adele Sylvia (born 1915)my mother.Uncle Joeand aunt Lil has no kids of own. Both sons grew up and lived in B'klyn,NY.