The faher of Julian was probably MaLorenza Giron and the faher was possibly an Aragon. Anyway, MaLorenza's father was Jose Guadalupe, and thea Jose de la Cruz from Cohiti, NM. his man died there in 1844. I have been unable to find anything else on this man although I have other theories on his family tree. His spouse was Maria Paula Montano. I have seen your name on the internet before but have lost the contact. Send me your address and I will send you a family tree as I know it. My name is in the Denver phone book as Isaac Jiron. Nice to meet you cousin. By the way Debbie Ashida is also another cousin I found on the interner. If you read her messages the maternal side of her family and the Archuleta side is also our family.