I seem to remember a Victor Joll from family conversations. How old is he now, or possible year of birth? I may have started some confusion by not poutting in any dates in my first inquiry. I am daughter if Clifford Joll born around 1950. The Clifford that passed in 2001 my have been my grandfather. They kept so many of the same names, that it gets confusing. I also remember a Wayne, who I think is my father's brother. I know they swap the names Albert, Frances and Clifford between generations. I have been having trouble just putting the right children with the right parents.