I'm afraid I've misled you. I was originally told by family members my GGGrandmother was Mary Ellen however my research shows her to have actually been Sarah Ellen KAY, according to the 1881 census. (She had a mother in law called Mary Hoyle). From there I ordered her birth cert that stated the following
Reg dist. Ashton and Oldham 1846 birth in the sub-district of Ashton in the county of Lancaster
No.449 Born23 October 1846 at Causeway, Royton NameSarah Ellen SexFemale FatherJames KAY MotherSusanna KAY formerly OGDEN Occ FatherBroker Sig,desc of inform.James KAY, father, Causeway, Royton When RegTwenty Sixth of October 1846
So they were living in Royton, Oldham at that time. Though I have not proved it yet I suspect the family below in the 1881 census to be Sarah's parents and a sister, given ages and occupation etc.
Dwelling: 53 Rochdale Rd Census Place: Oldham, Lancashire, England Marr Age Sex Birthplace James KAY M 65 M Royton, Lancashire, England Rel: Head Occ: Timber Dealer Susannah KAY M 63 F Royton, Lancashire, England Rel: Wife Elizabeth KAY U 29 F Royton, Lancashire, England Rel: Daughter
There is still a possibility of a link given the name Ellen though this was a reasonably common name, I believe. Sarah Ellen & Edward Traynor named their 5 children Bernard Thomas Astley, Frakenburg (aka Cissie), Rose, Edward and William, do any of these names suggest a further link? They lived mostly in Salford Manchester.(Sutherland may be another name linked to this family)