Hi Beverly,I also have an Ellen born ca 1843 assigned to this family.My husband descends from John C. Kepford and Elizabeth Hawk.I have birth, marriage and death dates for the children.In my notes I have that Ellen and Margaret Ellen were two different people but I don't know where I obtained my list of children.Maybe on the 1850 and 1860 census records???Somewhere I obtained the names of Catherine's parents, Wendell Smith b. Berks Co. 1765 and Barbara Helvinger b. Perry Co. 1780.I'm assuming PA. I also have Catherine being born in Perry Co. PA.At one time I had contact with several people who were researching the four Kepford lines out of PA, John, David, Frederick and Jacob. I may have received this information from one of them. I have lost contact with them.Apparently I have not documented my husband's direct line.I do believe that Jacob and John were brothers but I have not been able to prove that.One descendant of Jacob remembers seeing or hearing about some document that said they were brothers, but he didn't have the document and couldn't remember when or where he saw or heard about it.