Hi Ray, Saw your message to Bill Crozier re the Keppie's. The Family TreeMaker v.8 is great, I've been using v.7 up until 2 weeks ago and found it very easy to use. I've just got a new computer and upgraded to v.8 at the same time. I met Ted Coyle back in June when he visited the Gold Coast, we had a great visit and rattled a few bones. Bye now ,regardsLorna Winch.