Just a quick Hi, and to let you know I look here often, I too have John Killip's going back, have traced my lot to Isle of Man late 1700's. Most first males in my line were "Thomas". Thomas married Eleanor 1814 (Onchan, had three sons: Thoams, Robert, and John, also one daughter Eleanor. Have all the birthdates.Somewhere prior to the 1850 census (Isle of Man) the first Thomas above went with his family to live in Liverpool UK. Unfortunatly so many Thomas's and Johns etc... still will keep ever alert!