Not sure about ages, I haven't actually seen the 1861 census. That was info that your father sent me.
I have a fast permanent online connection for my business, also when you're doing internet at night, I am checking my morning input. So we cross!
John has not shown up in births to T&E, but did in that census. There could still be confusion here as we know. The fact that John was in Liverpool adds to clues, I checked out where he lived (your info) and it is a little way from where my lot were.
Appreciate that fax, i guess I won't learn a lot more but you never know. I have a second cousin currently in the UK and she has been looking into things as well.