Well Ian: I have tried the Jane Quine route, but so far no luck. How do we know Elleanor outlived William? Do we have a death record for William? There is, after all a 64 yr. old Wm. from IOM in Liverpool in 1881 (with another wife and kids).In 1861 Elleanor is still married, but Wm has been missing since 1841 (around long enough to sire children, but not fond of census takers)Perhaps he thought stone cutters were in greater demand in England. Did you ever find a marriage record for William and E Fargher? Do you by chance have a civil cert. for Tom in 1841 showing Mom's maiden name? If, as I suggested, all the children are from the same mother, where are the others in 1851 and 1861? And if Boyer is from E Bridson, would we not expect Radcliff Bonnyman to be with Boyer in 1851 and 1861, since E Bridson is far more likely to have called her son Radcliff than would E Fargher? If E Bridson was into exotic names, does the very simplicity of the others suggest they are from E Fargher (what a thin speculation) I agree that William does appear to be son of Andrew (and Margaret Coomb or McComb or pick a spelling), but I have found no marriage record for Andrew and Margaret. I do appreciate your thoughts on these mysteries, and am confident that they will all be resolved, eventually. I shall be in Southport at my Dad's house from May21 to June6. Is there any possibility of a rendezvous somewhere to plunge the depths of the questions we share? Incidentally, I almost married a girl from Port St. Mary, but she didn't want to emigrate. I wonder. Martin.