Thanks Ian, Anything at all you might have is appreciated. Thomas who married Hannah was a Blacksmith so I assumed his dad was too.
The clue that Thomas the shoemaker was dead before 1845 is another interesting one for me, he definitly died in Liverpool so there must be a record somewhere.
Thomas who married Hannah lies to rest just across town from me, wish he could speak!! My Uncle Sam Killip remembers a family bible with everything in it, he also recalls throwing it out!! something he deeply regrets, I don't hold it against him he is a lovely man.