Good morning Nicola. - Am wondering if the John Kimber you mention was born in 1799?This John would be the 4th child of Anthony Kimber and Catherine Juggins.He was married to Sarah Harris and Mary ?. - I am descended from Martha Kimber, the third child of Anthony and Catherine.Martha married William Surman. - And, I just traded e-mails over the last couple of weeks, with someone in England who is a descendant of Anthony/Catherine's second child, Mary Kimber.Mary married Henry Mallam Surman, who apparantly is not a relative of my g/g/g/grandfather (the above-mentioned) William Surman. - How did we ever get along without the net? - bye, dj...in the US.