My grandfather was Clifton Odell Kinsler, Ted's brother. John Franklin Kinsler(10/4/1857-7/2/1931) was my great-grandfather. I have found his father listed as William in some sources and as Michael in others.He came here from Hanover, Germany. His wife was Sarah Barnett. I have been trying to locate their graves - that is the key that will open it all up!