No. Those two Fred's were I think the 3rd and 4th gen that came from Jacob Keipper. Jacob and his wife came here in May 30,1741 to Philly. I am having my mom's book copied so that I can type that information in a new thread. That will be able to help others link back to us. My mom's side directly leads to Jabob. Well that's what I got out of that book. The family book is from 1983 and has at least 300 pages of known relatives. Hopefully soon I will have more information you and whoever else that wants to know.