Thank you again for your contact, Steven; I have had time now to mull further over what you sent me.
Comparing your Denham shield with the West Dean ones: the obvious difference is that the Denham shield has 12 quarterings and the West Dean ones have 15.They both show: Lewkenor, Bardolf, Tregoz, Dallingridge, Echingham, Camoys and Doyley.
They both show the older, senior, interpretation of Braose: gules, 3 bars vaire argent and azure. However, this description is identified by Montague Knight (notes in West Sussex Record Office) as Gromsted. (Explanation furtherbelow.)
The sons of William de Braose, bc 1155, d 1210, 7th Lord of Bramber, Lord of Briouze in Normandy, Brecon, Over-Gwent, etc. who married Maude de St.Valery of Hay, were:
1. William, the eldest son, immured with his mother in 1210 and
2. Reginald, 3rd son b, b 1178.Ana Lupertz tells me that Reginald used the arms of his ancestors, exactly as you say appears on the Denham tomb.
It was John “Tadody” (Welsh for “fatherless”) de Braose, son of William, above, who was the first to use the arms of “Azure, seme de croisettes decroisettes d’or, au lion du meme brochant sur-le-tout”. John married, first, Margaret, daughter of Llewellyn.Their son, William Braose of Bramber, d 1290, married as his third wife, Mary de Roos.One of their daughters was Margaret de Braose who married Ralph de Camoys of Trotton.
The lion rampant within crosslets device can also be seen on the impressive Cooksey monument in the parish church of St.Mary’s, Kidderminster, Worcestershire, Hugh de Cokesay being heir to George Braose in 6 Henry V and died 24 Henry VI (genforum.genealogy.com/cooksey/messages/1496), the arms here being Cooksey quartering Braose.
Were the Lewkenors of West Dean incorporating both the ancient and the post-Tadody depictions of Braose in their arms?The second husband of the widow of Edmund Lewkenor of Fyning married John Gunter of Racton and “Gower”, with lands near and in Abergavenny. Edmund’s son, the first Richard Lewkenor of West Dean would have been aware of his descent from William de Braose, 4th Lord of Bramber “The Ogre of Abergavenny” and of Tadody.
However, the turtle shield of Sir Christopher Lewkenor shows, as 9 of the 15: Gronsted. Montague Knight describes “Gronsted” as “Gules, 3 bars vaire”, i.e. “Broose” according to Howard. Fane Lambarde in “Sussex Notes and Queries”, p.151 writes of “A Lewknor Seal”: “Included in Vincent’s Sussex Pedigrees is one of the Lewknor family: with which there is a copy of a seal attached to a deed made between Joane the wife of Thomas Tregoz and her son, Sir John Doyley, on the one part: who seals with:- Quarterly of four. 1 and 4 gules three bars vaire for Keynes and 2& 3 azure three chevrons argent for Lewknor. Crest: Out of a Crown, a Hawk’s Lure.”(The arms are illustrated by Lambarde). “Thus, by placing the Keynes coat in the premier position, he emphasizes the territorial importance attached to the alliance with the family of Keynes.His grandfather Roger Lewkenor (sheriff of Surrey in 1284) had married Joan, daughter and heir of Richard and Alice de Keynes of Horsted Keynes, Selmeston, etc. sometime before 1276 (Sussex Record Society vii, 97. Genealogist xix, 242). And now Sir Roger had negotiated a marriage between his son and heir: which, with the later one to a Camoys heiress, was to eclipse the Keynes connection; a connection that was the origin of the prominent position in the County that this family occupied later.That they, in early times, placed such value on a quartering, which seems later to have entirely dropped out of use in their achievement, is worth recording.”
Horsted Keynes is in Sussex, just off the A275, East Grinsted to Lewes road.
The Denham shield shows the following which are missing from the West Dean shield:
Radmylde, which is particular to the Denham descent andwhich we understand and Noell which I do not know.
Denham shows Halsham as: Argent, a chevron gules between 3 torteaux.West Dan shows something very similar: Goring: Argent, a chevron between 3 annulets (or mullets) gules.
The West Dean shields show the following which are not shown in Denham:
No.4. Culpeper, according to Montague Knight: Argent, a bend engrailed gules, which is, indeed, correct for Culpeper.However, the reverse tinctswould be correct for Foliot.I took photographs in Trotton church; on the south wall, underneath the Camoys’ wall paintings, is a painting of a shield showing a dark bend engrailed against a light background.Various pedigrees show John Camoys of Norfolk d 1344 marrying Margaret Foliot.
No.7: Gornau, according to Montague Knight; Grandison, according to Durrant Cooper and John Comber: Azure, 3 pales ar on a chief gules 3 crosses patty argent.If Gournai, then this may go back to descent from Juliana, daughter of William, Lord Cantelupe and Milicent, daughter of Hugh de Gournai of Mapledurham and Robert Tregoz, alive 1213. To date, I have failed to find any illustration of Gournai, Grandison or Meulx (as this is believed to be on the Lewkenor carpet).
No.10: Audley and Touchet: 1 & 4 a fret or; 2 & 3 ermine, a chevron gules.If this indicates the marriage between Sir Roger Lewkenor who d 1543, and whose first wife was Eleanor Audley, then I am unsure about the authority for these arms showing up on the West Dean composite coat of arms.Sir Roger was the first cousin of Edmund Lewkenor of Fyning, the father of the first Sir Richard Lewkenor of WestDean.Eleanor Audley was the mother ofJane Lewkenor/de la Pole, etc. and her line continued.
No.11: Argent, 2 bars in a chief 3 mullets sable, identified as Moyne by Montague Knight.This is described, but not identified, in the 1562 Visitations and John Comber and Durrant Cooper avoid any identification.
No.15:Barry of 6 or and vert a bend gules, identified by Montague Knight as Poyning.This device is described in the 1562 Visitations but is not identified, neither is it identified by Durrant Cooper nor John Comber. Richard Camoys (identified by name) and his wife, Joan Poyning, are painted, at prayer, on the south wall of Trotton church, but I have failed to see any arms for Joan. Also shown is their son – the last of the Camoys’ male line, brother of Eleanor Camoys/Lewkenor and Margaret Camoys/ Radmylde. The arms of Camoys are topped by a coronet with what appear to be a crest of feathers.
It is possible – just about – to identify other paintings of shields in Trotton church:Camoys, Lewkenor, Echingham, one that I do not know showing a chevron under a bar, dark against a light background (the colours, of course, have faded) and one which is quartered 1& 4 dark, 2 & 3 light. There are four curious figures on the north wall, wearing long shirts, but, above the waist are red tops, sporting the 3 bezants of the Camoys family, They wear very odd, large, head gear – presumably the crest of feathers again.Their sabatons are pointed.
I would be most grateful for your thoughts. I will post mine on the carpet soon.