I have a John Loder who married Ardella Van Luven, she was born to Miles Van Luven and Georgie Moulthrop in 1876.died 11-6-1932.John had 4 children from a previous marriage.Maude, John b. 1891 d. 11-8-1983, married Elise.Jesse m. Coilah Whitman and Earl Alva b. 7-2-1897 d. 6-16-1978 married Signe Dare Blume.they had 2 children Burnell Loder and Earlene Loder who married Jeffery J. Jeffery. Ardella and John had 6 children:Lydia Ann m. Blake, Ester Mae m. Williams, Irving Charles b. 5-28-1907 d. 12-27-1985, m. Mearl Cummings, Ortha Marie m. Patterson, Leona Clara m. Loper, Ilah Irene m. Konkus.Ardella married 2nd Oscar Ives Whitman who had 9 children from a 1st marriage to Josephine Dudley.Ardella and Oscar had 3 more children together. That makes 22 children that ended up being raised together.Oscar is my husbands great grandfather.Do you think this could be the same John Loder?