I have a dead end John Lumsden too, born 1830 in errol, his parents are Thomas and Elizabeth Forfar. Do you think tha he may have lied about coming from Ireland? Did you actually see a birth cert? It's just that, I haven't heard of any Lumsdens being born in Ireland. There was such a mass exodus to get away during the famine. Lumsden is traditionally Scottish, isn't it? So what if Johnny's not told the truth, to get naturalised quicker or disassociate himself from something he did (or was accused of ) who knows. Maybe there's more on passenger lists for this elusive John.