Thank you VERY much Shirley!Yes These are the names I am looking for. Rufus Lutz is my 3rd Great Grandfather My mother Hilda Bertha Lutz b. 28 June 1937. knew of William and Mary Ann but no other details. I had Albert Lutz but wasn't sure if he was James Albert or not. I'll take whatever info you would care to pass along! Thanks again Kevin.