Have you looked in the Guenther~Tindle geneology forum, just under the Malueg forum we use? Go there, look under the Guenther surnames. Find Malueg. There you can find Christian(Johann), also Ferdinand(Mark's GGGF),Johann(my GGGF) & many others. Did I mention I have a copy of Johann's completefamily tree. Hope this gives you somthing new.