John T. may well be related to John W. Manzer but John T. I do not believe is the John married to Martha Patience Parent. John and Martha left the New York area in 1783 as Loyalists and relocated to New Brunswick, and had 11 children. Lawrence Manzer was not one of them. Lawrence and Christopher Manzer were probably the sons of John T. Manzer and located in the Otsego Cherry Valley area of New York. I have found that many people are getting John T. and plain John mixed up. John and Martha Parent Manzer's children were Elizabeth, Abigail, Polly, Amy, James, Margaret, John, David, Bathsheba, Barnard, and Henry. Elizabeth married four times to a Harding, White, Atherton, and White. Abigail married James Dennison. Have not found evidence of Polly and Amy marrying. James married Bathsheba Coy, and later Janet MacNabb. Margaret married Donald Collings. John Manzer, Jr. married Mary Craig. David Manzer married Mary Hulda Estabrooks. Bathsheba married Benjamin Goodspeed. Barnard married Sarah Estabrooks. Let me do some more looking into what I have of the Cherry Valley/Otsego Manzers and see if I can track down the elusive John W. and Albert.