This is the information I have or have heard: Patrick McGivern born about 1850 in Ireland, father of John McGivern born 6/30/1875 County Down, Ireland, married about 1907, died 8/1923. Married Ellen (Nellie) Carroll who was born 2/9/1875 Mineville New York USA. They moved to Butte Montana (I think by way of Utah). 3 children-Edward Paul McGivern (my father), John and Ellen. Patrick may have been one of several brothers who moved to New York. They may have had a mining background or just fell into it when in USA. I understand most records were lost in Ireland in a fire but if you have any notes, comments, suggestions, questions-even if you think it is not the same family-I would like to hear back from you. Thanks for your response. I live in the Portland, Oregon area.