Hi Kerry:Thanks for the interesting data you supplied. Can I assume that you are communicating from Australia?. I'd be happy to send along other data that you may find interesting, but I would much prefer to continue the exchange by e mail. My address is so if you reply to that address we can continue the exchange.Here is some correspondence I had last Christmas with another McGuffin decendant which was most heart warming. Following that are my notes on another family of McGiffins that arrived in Austrlia in 1840. I have not tied this family in (for sure) but I think you will find it interesting. There are still some McGuffin descendants of that line in Australia. By the time you get through asll this you will realize that e mail is prefferred. Meanwhile enjoy.Gordon in Calgary AB
The following is a message and subsequent correspondence with Mrs. Mary Doland from the Melbourne Australia area: Hello Gordon We have a McGuffin branch in our family in Australia. Elizabeth Agnes McGuffin married Thomas Doland here in Victoria in 1866 in the Goldrush town of Omeo, her place of birth is given on the marriage certificate as County Down, Ireland, daughter of William and Frances McGuffin. She died in 1934 aged 93, so her date of birth would have been around 1840/41. Any connection to your McGuffins? Any info most gratefully received! Thank you Mary Doland
Hi Mary: Yes indeed ! Life is full of remarkable coincidences. One of the family in Belfast sent me a bit of what seemed like trivia earlier this year. She and her brother (visiting from Canada) were in a Genealogy library browsing through a book listing grave markers in an old cemetery in Newry (St Patricks). One of them was a barely readable slate headstone for William McGuffin " Erected by Frances McGuffin of Newry in memory of her beloved husband William died 18/4/1857 aged 58. Also listed was their daughter Margaret died 17/5/1852 aged 8." My records indicate he is the brother of Robert b.1785, d. 1866 Dungannon, Co. Tyrone and that their father is John McGuffin, mothers name Margaret. I obtained a death record for Frances Eliza McGuffin- she died Oct. 31/95 listed as Widow of a shoemaker, her son John was present at her death . Died at Damolly which it seems was John’s home. Damolly is a suburb of Newry about 2-3 Km NE. There is no doubt that Elizabeth Agnes was their daughter and we know she had at least one sister (died age 8) and one brother John probably an older brother but I have no records to prove that. Could you reply to my e mail address I would like to know how she came to be in Australia. There are a lot of "other" McGuffins in Australia but they are almost entirely descendants of Richard McGuffin & Ann Barber who arrived in Sydney about 1840 with two of their children (others were born after they arrived). I'm quite sure Richard came from around Newry also and while he could have been a brother of Wm (Frances' husband) it is not a very good fit, but very likely they were cousins 1st cousins probably. If you would like to know more about the other relatives e mail me. Thanks for your note Mary and perhaps you could send me some names and dates etc for your parents and their family (you included). Merry Christmas from Canada
Reply-To: "Mary Doland" From: "Mary Doland" To: Subject: Elizabeth Agnes McGuffin Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:01:09 +1100 X-Priority: 3
Hello Gordon That was the best Christmas present ever! The McGuffins are from my husband's family.This is as much as I know about Elizabeth.Thomas Doland (also from Ireland) met her on the goldfields at Omeo, Victoria, which is quite near where we live.It's about an hour by car, but that's close by Aussie standard s!They married in the Omeo church in 1866.They left the area, and travelled to the north of the state to the town of ALBURY, on the border of New South Wales.There they bought a farm, settled down and had five children.Mary (1872), William Thomas (1874), George (1877),James Alfred (1880), and Charles (1882).Charles was my husband's grandfather. James Alfred became a member of parliament for East Perth in Western Australia. The Doland property in Albury was sold off many years ago. There is now a new housing subdivision on the site of the old farm, but we have recently discovered that there is a Doland Street there, named in their honour.We intend to travel up to Albury over the holidays and check it out.We'll have a look in the cemetery while we are there and see if there are any more McGuffins. Uncle Fred (the oldest family member and a great source of historical data) told me that the other McGuffins in New South Wales were relations of Elizabeth.Perhaps she came out to join her uncles, aunts and cousins?There were a lot of Irish people in Victoria during the gold rush, seeking their fortunes.I have a scanned photograph of Elizabeth McGuffin, taken in the late 19th century in her middle age.
Hi Gordon I suddenly realised that I didn't give you enough info on Elizabeth.I think she would have been born in 1840, in County Down, Ireland.She married Thomas Doland in Omeo Church, Omeo, Victoria in 1866.She died 26th October 1934, aged 93, and is buried in Albury Cemetery (site no AH2747). Thomas came from (we think) Dublin.He died 11th December 1923, and left a will, which we have not seen yet, it's in the record office in Sydney. He is also buried at Albury Cemetery. His parents were Thomas and Ann Doland.I've been thinking about those other Australian McGuffins.The New South Wales records are all on-line and free!Its a really good site, deaths to 1945, births to 1905.The web address is:
I first heard of Richard from an article published in Sydney and found by Doreen Crawford(McGuffin) originally from the Manitoba branch of the family (see the Canadian PAF). Doreen was in Australia on a holiday and did some research while there. She sent it to Marie Smibert(McGuffin) of Missisauga) the person that got me started many years ago on this family history quest. Marie sent it to me and I filed it away as very interesting information. THE ARTICLE is titled THE RISE & PROGRESS of ORANGEISM in NEW SOUTH WALES ---VINDICATED.by RICHARD McGUFFIN Printed in 1872 in SYDNEY by Lee & Ross Excelsior Printing Office 231 Castlereagh Street near Market Street
Someday I will try to find time to type this article into this record. It is an elaborate effort to take/share credit for the founding of this order in NSW. The record states that Richard arrived in Sydney in 1840 and my Irelandresearch of vital stats leaves almost no doubt that he came from County Down where the vast preponderance of McGuffins started their overseas journeys. Newry or Banbridge would be a very good bet. (see August 2000 notes) I have a Richard born in 1813 that would be the right age but he never left Ireland and was married and died there. There was more than one family in these areas and I have little doubt that he springs from one of them. May have been transported for some crime (Minor probably) as were so many others. Well,in July this year (1999) the Alberta Family Historys list serve noted the availability of birth, death, marriage records for NSW for the period 1788-1945. I accessed the website and lo and behold there is Richard. It appears that he arrived with his wife Ann and several children - because there is are several deaths recorded for their children not born in NSW. The first birth recorded in NSW is a daughter Susannah in 1842 followed by Mary in 1845 and Jane in 1850. It appears that Ann died sometime after that because there is a marriage record for Richard and Adelaide in 1958 ( SEPT/00 NO ! THIS IS THEIR SON RICHARD & HIS WIFE) and then a number of births for that union first Richard in 1859 (he died the same year), Adelaide Maude 1860, Thomas S. 1861, Ernest R. 1864, "Male" 1866, Sydney 1867, Alfred P. 1869, Elizabeth 1872, Richard (again) 1874, Maude Ellen 1877, Alexander T. 1881. These names may have some significance - Thomas S. could very well be his fathers name or perhaps uncle or grandfather. My research in Ireland has lots of Thomas' Looking at my records there is a very good chance that this is the "unnamed" son of Hugh McGaffin and Jane McConkey, grandfathers name Thomas. SEE RIN 105 in my N. IRELAND file. Hughs brother Robert married Susannah Arnot. Richard and Ann's first born was Susannah. Hey! - looks good. AUGUST 2000Valerie (McGuffin) Coffey in Belfast has been corresponding with one of Richards descendants in Australia and therefor some of this data will be corrected or expanded to incorporate the information she has forwarded. She says Richard died in 1878 which seems a little strange because of some events that happened a few years later -We'll see !