Mark, I see this has been up for a while. Hope you are still there.Here is what I have. Your grandfather (William Herder Messenger, I believe, is brother to my grandfather (Charles Russell Messenger) . Others were Joanna and Stella. Their parents were Charles S. Messenger and Lillie Herder. I have a picture from my grandfathers collection showing William and Sarah holding baby William jr. My grandfather(Charles R. Messenger)was born in Somerset Co. New Jersey on 8/25/1897. This is new to me, so I have not gotten far yet. The Arizona connection may be my deceased Uncle(Albert Lesley Messenger). He lived there for quite some time.