Big Score John!!!! I think we are on the final leg of this journey. I have a copy of the will of John Moon of Cumru Township, Berks Co. dated June 2,1764. He died in Sept. 1764. I will have to e-mail it to you all (and anyone else who wants a copy)if you want a copy. It was sent to me by an ancestor of Ludwig, John's son, brother of Vernor/Wernor. Although Vernor was older, Ludwig literly "got the farm". Abstracts to Will in Berks Co. for 1764 list Vernor getting only 100#. The last tax list for Cumru Co. he shows up in is 1767. That is probibly when he left for Va. That is all I could get my hands on at the moment. I will start trying to put my file together to see if anything else falls out. It looks we need to find Vernor/Werner in Md. or Va. after 1767. Mike, didn't you have a notation in a really great summary you put together rescently regarding Abraham Mohn in the Moon GenForum page that Werner died in 1796? Where did that come from? The Ludwig contact I have has a lot of info going back several generations in Germany if this is the real thing.