I've been mulling over your fine input. I've been busy on some other lines but I want to share some thoughts. I've been running out of "dead cats" to throw around and hit a John Morgan. Your post made me think of being about ten and riding a school bus in the winter rain, looking through the spattered glass out in a field close to my home and spying a still black cat in the weeds. Murgatroyd. Our cat had been missing and I loved him. Got off the bus, ran to the cat... he was stiff as a board. I was sobbing, and overcome with grief. Carried him home by his very straight tail crying and held him up to mother who told me that was not our cat!
Now, I'm going to lay out some data. Sometimes, after I've gone as far back as I can with certain facts about ancestors and get stuck, I let my intuition take over and ride horseback on my reason.First, I want to tell you that Susanna Morgan, who m. George Ruddell, whose father was John had a daughter named Rebecca Ruddell who m. one of my grandfathers, Meschack Goodrich. Rebecca Ruddell Goodrich was b. 17 Nov 1798 in Shenandoah Co., Virginia.
Meschack's dad was Jesse Goodrich, who I proved a couple of years ago for the DAR as one of my ancestors. I also corrected a long-standing error on that Jesse Goodrich being that he is, in fact, buried in Knox Co. Ohio. and not in Massachusetts.
O.K.So up to there is tight fact.Then, I wanted to go up my Ruddlle line. I worked on the WRONG George Ruddell at first, thinking he was the Captain George Ruddell. No. He wasn't.However, "my" George Ruddell's father was Archibald who m. Elizabeth Beggsf and was a qualifying patriot for the DAR. My George was b. 1774 and m.SUSANNAHMORGAN 27 Aug 1796 in Shenandoah, VA.
I submitted that supplemental application on Archibald Ruddell last May and it got kicked back to me because a family history, [JOHN RUDDELL of the Shenandoah Valley; His Children and Grandchildren, Compiled and Edited by Harold Turk Smutz, Ed.D., Pub. Jun 1974 Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 74-81296, page 26 & 27]
even though it was in the Library of Congress.
So, I laid out $30.00 to the Library of Virginia in Richmond and ordered Archibald's will which names his son, George. Also, I found an abstract of a will for George naming his daughters together.
These are some of the threads in my tapestry. Now, a little bit about my Holmes, and mysterious Halls, and Hendersons.My 3rd great grandfather was Calvin Hall Holmes and his brother was Henderson Phineas Holmes. I've been trying to find those Halls and Hendersons for years.Coming from the top of the tree down, my earliest Holmes that may be involved here [THE JOHN MORGAN PROBLEM] go back to John Holmes over in Agusta Co., VA, whose son, James was born over there and baptized at the Tinkling Springs church in Fishersville, VA in 1747.
JAMES HOLMESm. Mary Neil/Nail 04 Mar 1772. [See: Marriages of Rowan Co., NC 1753-1868, By Brent H. Holcomb, 1986. Gene. Pub. Co.] Her father was named James Niel, [he m. Ann (Agnes) Snoddy] and his father was Captain William Niell who fought out of NC at the battle of King's Mountain. [Revolutionary War]
One of the proofs I used for my Generation 9 for Wm. Niell was something you might be interested in, Perri. I don't really know what it means yet, but I found a John Morgan there -in it- too.
See: Publications of the State Historical Society of wisconsin, Calendar Series, Volume 3, Calendar of Tennessee and King's Mountain Papers of the Draper Collection of Manuscripts; Published by the Society, 1929. Wm Niel was mentioned in pages, 171, 172, 254, 610,and 614.
Then we come JOHN MORGAN.
On page 189 of the Wisconsin Historical Society King's Mountain Papers it says:
1782 March 3, IDD41 ~
Hammond, Col. Samuel. Camp [at] Mr. Larks [?]. Honorable discharge granted to JOHN MORGAN. Inscribed on back by Capt. James McElhaney, testifying to Morgan's enlistment.copy. 1 p.
I want to find out how to get a copy of this. ~~
Perri, I concentrated last year on getting Archibald Ruddell and Capt. Wm. Niel supplementals handed in to the DAR. I am beginning to turn more in interest toward getting "my" John Morgan squared away, and I don't know if he is in fact a Revolutionary War patriot or not. But it certainly is possible, I think, given the time frame. Susannah Morgan whose father was a John Morgan was b. ca. 1773-1776. Well, I've a lot to sort out. But right now I'm leaning hard toward a David Morgan b. in Wales who had son Evan who m. Johanna Biles, who had a John Morgan who was b. 16 Oct. 1735 in Philadelphia, PA. Time will tell.
Then there is this line which interest me :
Capt. John Morgan and Mary (Settle) Morgan
Joseph Morgan & Margaret Proctor
William S. Morgan & Amanda Hall
Herbert Hall Morgan & Betty (Cockerham) Morgan
I think because of the names in my old families, and how they had land near one another, and how they intermarried... that I may find a connection between Capt. William Hall, Hendersons, and Morgans out of the King's Mountain area where all these men fought together.
Earlier than that???Out of Pennsylvania??
Keep me posted, Perri. I'll do the same.