Re: Moss of Lancaster England and Rappahannock VA
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Moss of Lancaster England and Rappahannock VA
Walter Clayton 7/25/07
I can confirm Walter's post that my findings to date are that as far as I can determine from easily accessible references that there is no evidence that a Jane or Jane Bridget(te) North was a daughter of any 17th century Baron North of Kirtling, certainly not of a 'Lord' Roger North as postulated by some or Sir Dudley North (Knight of the Bath 1616) latterly from 1666 Dudley North, 4th Baron North of Kirtling or a John Dudley North ostensibly of the same family. If anyone has cast iron documentary proof to the contrary I will be most interested to hear about it and where that original valid authenticated archival evidence can be viewed.
Various dates for the birth of a daughter Jane or a Jane Bridget(te) to Dudley North and his wife Anne Montague, who he married in 1632, appear on the Church of LDS website, the most popular quoted date for the year of her birth is 1643.
Dudley 4th Baron North's of Kirtling most recent family tree appears in Richard Grassby's 1994 publication "The English Gentleman in Trade" The Life and Works of Sir Dudley North 1641-1691 (That Dudley North was the 4th surviving child of Dudley North and his wife Anne Montagu and was a Merchant Trader and Economist)
Grassby apparently accessed the various North genealogical pedigree records in the UK for his book e.g. Bodleian Library, Oxford and elsewhere. He lists 14 children of Dudley North and Anne Montague, 4 died in infancy, all born from 1633 to 1651 inclusive.
From the tree it is recorded that a daughter Anne was born 25 November 1642 and another daughter Katherine was born 2 February 1644, given the normal 9 month period of human gestation it would clearly not have been possible for Lady Anne North to have given birth to another daughter (Jane) in 1643 Tostock (Church of LDS Ancestral file) between those two dates. Katherine born in 1644 died an infant in 1645.
The names of the 10 surviving children also appear in the recently revised Oxford National Dictionary of Biography and confirm Grassby's tree. The names of their 4 surviving daughters and their marriages are given thus, years of birth and death as per Richard Grassby: -
Anne (1642-1717) married Robert Foley of Stourbridge, Worcestershire; Christian or Christina (1648-1708) married Sir George Wenyeve of Brettenham, Suffolk; Elizabeth (1647-1730) married Sir Robert Wiseman (first) and William Paston, Earl of Yarmouth (second); and Mary (1638-1662) married Sir William Spring of Pakenham, Suffolk.
(On the Church LDS website and elsewhere (Internet family trees) several other years are quoted for a birth of a Jane or Jane Bridget(te) North in the mid-1630s, these entries are not supported by Grassby's most recent North family tree as to a daughter Jane or date)
The title 'Lady' has been'adopted' by some family researchers and attached to the wife of a William or William Henry Moss of Virginia, albeit the person concerned, had she been a Baron's daughter, would not have been entitled to such a style and title. The daughters of Barons are titled 'The Honourable'. The wives of Barons have the courtesy title of 'Lady' by virtue of their marriage, they retain it when widows, but if they remarry they lose the title. I have not found any potential Lady Jane or Jane Bridget(te) North as a widow of the Kirtling line.
From my knowledge of the main line of North's of Kirtling ancestry the name of Jane was not in evidence at all for the Kirtling North family's daughters in the 16th/17th/18th centuries.
It is just possible that she may have been born of a collateral family line descending from Roger North, 2nd Baron North of Kirtling and I am endeavouring to establish whether that could be so, however there is no way such a Jane or Jane Bridget(te) North was a Lady North, she would have been very far removed from that title and would be just a plain Miss Jane or Jane Bridget(te) North.
There also seems a great deal of confusion as to whether the Jane North in Virginia was the wife of William Moss as Rose Moss Scott in her published 1926 "Chronicles of the Moss Family" has it or his son William Henry Moss as numerous entries on the Church of LDS website and published Internet family trees maintain. There does appear on the face of it to be an element of copying the work of others without due enquiry as to original archival sources.
When I have more to offer on this topic after further enquiry I will post it as suggested by Walter.
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