Thanks for the info Howard. As for Martin Mulvihills birth date,on his marriage certificate in 1878 his age was given as 24 making his birth year 1854. In the UK census for 1891 his age was given as 31 making his birth year around 1860. And on the census for 1901 his age was given as 42 which gave him a birth year of 1859,so take your pick! The thing is everyone else in his family aged acordingly,so he must be the same person.He signed his marriage certificate with an X so he was illiterate,maybe he was innumerate as well. You said your family in Ireland was catholic,Martin was married in a Roman Catholic church. Regards Danny.