Dennis< thank you very much for your imformation. Researching my family history is very new to me and im finding it great fun. With your reply i have traced back to around 1770. "Richard William Mumby" Born around 1770 possibly london area? shoreditch? Married lydia. Two children richard 1800 & martha 1801. I am now stuck any help on where to go would be great.Thanks again Dave.