Jo, I don't ususally check this site very often. I use www.Rootsweb.com more. As a matter of fact,I have a posting there which tells more about the argument or at least this sides version of it. Please contact me as soon as possile, I would love to hear from you and exchange information. I haven't done much research on the Nebe side for the sole reason of concentrating on my Grandmother's direct lineage, the Dinkelberg's, Iknow so little beyond my 2nd Great-Grandfather I would like to know even more.