Hey Paul I hope the following information helps. I was having email conversations with some other Norms looking into Francis also. You can find more information on Norms on my website:http://mysite.verizon.net/pipergen/http://mysite.verizon.net/pipergen/
Wow, that is great - where did you find that record? Do you have anything for Anna M.(b. 1858), Elizabeth (b. appr. 1863), Winifred (b. appr. 1867)? How large a tree have you been able to put together? The one I have is on an old version of Family Tree Maker. I bought the 2006 version and I hope to be able to transfer it over and perhaps I will be able to send it via email. Ken
Subject: Re: Normoyle's from NY Mary Normoyle Aug. 2, 1883 Bronx E. 144th St. between Willis and 3rd Ave. 48 y Born Ire. Father Henry Mc Owen Mother Anna NYC directory for 1882 shows: Normoyle Mary Widow of Francis E. 144th St. near 3rd Ave. 1882
The above Mary died in 1883
Ken Normoyle wrote: I don't know what happened to her or where and when she died. I have one or two census records that list her as a widow, but then she disappears. Also I have no idea what happened to two of the children: Elizabeth and Winfred (or Winifred). It gets even more mysterious, but I'll have to send another email, because I am pressed for time right now.... Ken
----- Original Message ---- From: Eugene Normoyle To: Ken Normoyle Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 11:32:12 PM Subject: Re: Normoyle's from NY
Ken, do you know what happened to Mary McOwen Normoyle?
Ken Normoyle wrote: Reading this gives me flashbacks to when I was actively researching. I took trips to the National Archives in D.C. as well as Jersey City Town Hall, NYC Public Library and a research facility in Long Island (the name escapes me now). There were other trips, but it is hard to remember them. I remember coming across Michael Normoyle and Bridgett more than once - they stuck in my head because at the time I was looking for Henry Michael (son of Francis and Mary). I did a google on McOwen yesterday and found nothing which makes me wonder if perhaps the mistake in spelling was from McKeon to McOwen. As I mentioned last time, an Irish accent would tend to make the two sound alike. I believe that Mary may not have been able to read and write, since the records got more confusing after Francis died. The last name was spelled Normile and there were some discrepencies over the spelling of the kids names. I just checked some of my old paperwork and on his citizenship application it says that Francis arrived in the US in 1851 and began the process in the Eastern District of PA. Perhaps you can help locate the ship he came in on - I was never able to find it. Thanks, Ken ----- Original Message ---- From: Eugene Normoyle To: Ken Normoyle Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 6:41:03 PM Subject: Re: Normoyle's from NY
Most of the information came from long hours in the NY Public Library in NYC and the NYC Archives. I have all the Norms that were indexed for NYC starting about 1891. The city directories are from the library. They have most city directories from the US. I will check for New Britain, CT next time to see when your Norms arrived and left. I will also look up Francis since I know an approx. year.
My family comes from Labasheeda, Co. Clare and arrived in 1886-7 and settled in Astoria Queens. MY g/g/father was Michael married to Bridget Kelly. Michael had at least two brothers Cornelius and Thomas who arrived around 1880. Cornelius was killed in 1886 by falling down stairs on an excursion boat trip to Oak Point (College Point?). Hopefully he wasn't drunk. He was single so no children. His brother Thomas died in 1896 from a form of food poisoning. It is amazing how many people died back then from this condition. After Thomas' death his family moved out to Chicago where his wife Annie had family. Her son John (1884 b) kept the name going.
On Michael's death certificate his mother is listed as Mary Morgan. The family gravesite in Calvary has a Mary Normoyle buried there who was born in 1823. I don't know who this Mary is. I have been trying to prove that this is my g/g/g/mother. I do not find a passenger record for any Mary Norms in this age range so I don't know if she a cousin who married into the family here or what. She died in Manhattan State Hospital in Central Islip, ( probably Alzeimers) and they will not give me any info whatsoever. I do have her death certificate and most fields on it are blank. I was hoping to find out her husbands name (it should be Cornelius also). My next trip is to go the NY State Archives and find all the Norms who were born/died/married. I am hoping to accomplish this in one trip to Albany. They also have on microfilm a census of all poorhouses and hospitals in NY from the time period that Mary was there.
I do have military draft registration records for Norms for WWI and WWII. I am working on transcribing them to a spreadsheet. If you are looking for specific names let me know and I will send you the image. It shows their signatures and handwriting and gives address, kin, birth date, country. I hope this helps.
Ken Normoyle wrote: Wow, how easy is it to get all of that online these days? When I was actively searching, records were not so easy to come by. I am excited to get back up to speed with all of this. I never found anything for the surname McKeon - it makes sense that it could have been misspelled with the Irish accent from Mc Owen. You have opened a new avenue of search for me, thanks. Tell me about your family: how far back have you gotten? What are the names of your grandparents and before them? Where did they live? Perhaps I have something in my collection that would be helpful. Ken ----- Original Message ---- From: Eugene Normoyle To: Ken Normoyle Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:03:24 PM Subject: Re: Normoyle's from NY
On the 1880 census Anthony is listed as being born in NJ about 11 years previous. Other children were born in NY. On the 1900 census Anthony is shown as being born in NY. Maybe an assumption on the part of his wife in giving over the information to the enumerator.
A Mary Normoyle died: Mary Normoyle Aug. 2, 1883 Bronx E. 144th St. between Willis and 3rd Ave. 48 y Born Ire. Father Henry Mc Owen Mother Anna
NYC Directories show: Normoyle Francis Laborer home- Eagle Ave.; business N. Westchester Ave. 1877
Normoyle Mary Widow of Francis E. 144th St. near 3rd Ave. 1882
Normoyle Henry M. Photographer 351 E. 118th St. 1891-2
and Jersey City directory shows: Francis Normoyle Laborer h. Henry n. Chestnut Av. JC 1874
There were a few Normoyle's in the Jersey City and Hoboken area in those years, so they must be related somehow.
Ken Normoyle wrote: All of the info in NJ and the Bronx makes sense - they also lived in CT after that. The passenger list is interesting, since he was in PA, but I know that he was there in the 1850s and his clildren were born in the US. I wonder if he had a nephew named Francis. Francis died sometime before 1890 I believe. I don't have the paperwork in front of me but I know that I have several census reports and his wife is listed as a widow on one of them (1880 or 1890 I think). Another interesting note is that one of their children is listed as a boy on one census and a girl on another. The name is hard to read, but it is Winfred or Winifred. Strange, huh? 1880 census Surname First Age Approx. year born status Address Marital status Occupation Immig/ Natztn Where Born Father Birth Place Mother Birth Place
Normile Mary 46 F 145 Third Av. NYC, NY widow keeping house Ire. Ire. Ire. Elizabeth 17 daug S servant NY Ire. Ire. John T. son S app. to machinist NY Ire. Ire. Winifred 16 daug S at school NY Ire. Ire. Henry 13 son S at school NY Ire. Ire. Anthony 11 son S at school NJ Ire. Ire.
have a cousin Bill Normoyle, but last I knew he lived in Jacksonville, FL.
I am extremely busy and traveling over the next few weeks, but I will be catching up with you and looking into all of this as soon as I can.
1900 census Normoyle Anthony 27 July 1872 M R2 South Main, New Britain, CT. M 7yrs stone cutter NY Ire. Ire. Gertrude 26 Apr. 1874 wife M 7yrs 3 children 1 living CT France France Louis 4 July 1895 son S CT CT CT Henry M 32 Mar 1868 brother unkn photographer NY Ire. Ire.
----- Original Message ---- From: Eugene Normoyle To: Ken Normoyle Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:56:06 PM Subject: Re: Normoyle's from NY
Ken Normoyle wrote: I'm not sure, give me some first names of the guys in S. Carolina and I'll see if I can figure it out. My cousin's name is William Normoyle, wife's name is Kelly. They are close to Myrtle Beach. Have you ever found anything on Francis Normoyle born in the 1820's or so? He was in Bucks County, PA in the mid 1800s and then in Jersey City, NJ where he became a US citizen while living with his wife Mary McKeon. Years ago I searched tons of passenger lists but never found his name on any of them, so I still don't have confirmation of his origin (other than Ireland in general). I have searched the city directories for Jersey City-Hoboken area and came up with a Francis Normoyle living there in 1874. No listing for him before or after. I do have a Francis Normoyle living in the Bronx in 1877. Once again no listing before or after this date. It seems the guy couldn't keep still. I will look up the death index the next time I go to the NYC Municpal Archives and see if he died in the years following. I do have death listings (NYC) from 1890 and later, with no Francis Normoyles. I do have a passenger listing for a Francis Normoyle arriving at Philadelphia on July 12, 1889, birth year about 1856. I am from Long Island (Hampton Bays) and now I live in Jupiter, FL. I have over 50 first cousins from the Normoyle side and most of them grew up in Long Island as well. As a side note, my brother's middle name is Eugene.