I looked in the Oothoudt book again, regarding John Alexander Oathout.It's Volume IV.The footnote Jerry had on that data about the shooting (BTW, it was Johnnie that was shot, not "Billie"), indicates he obtained it from Catherine Meadows, back in the late 1970's.The other brief data on John Alexander O. (i.e. birth and death dates) was obtained from "Gladys Belnap Garwin, of Ogden UT, the Family Record Sheet on Charles Franklin Oathout submitted to the Archives of the Genealogy Society of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.The original source of the information is noted as the 'Rosa Jane Oathout Records.' "I'm afraid this probably won't narrow down anything for you in terms of finding those elusive "Rosa.....records".I wonder if LDS has them on file (?).Big question.I always go nuts when I find there is a wonderful old diary or something as above...... SOMEWHERE...., because I want to see it myself and glean what I can.Usually much more "family life stuff" in those kinds of sources.I've never seen any of the Rosa records myself, as I didn't work with him on Volume IV.