Re: John & William & George Oldfield NY
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Re: John & William & George Oldfield NY
L M 3/14/07
Hi.Thanks for the information. I reviewed your earlier postings, I wish I had been tuned in then! I would have picked up on Hogan, Dolan, or Mary O’Brien and we could have connected a lot sooner.Daniel Hogan was my Grandfather. In 1920, the Dolan family rented rooms in his house in Brooklyn.You seem to have found quite a lot. I probably can fill in some more. I also have background on Mary O’Brien’s family, some from Ireland. You are welcome to it.
I agree we should Start with William’s history.You probably know from Census entries that the “Canada / England” references show up in the second marriage data as well.Anna Oldfield Hogan told people that William had been born in Ireland to parents that were living there temporarily, a father born in England and a mother born in France.Anna’s children thought that story came from “Aunt Jeanette.Anna provided the data for her brother George’s death certificate stating his father’s place of birth as England.In the 1930 Census, Anna said that her father was born in Canada.All of the other data I have, including many census statements by Anna’s mother and siblings, Anna’s own earlier census statements, the death certificates of Agnes and Lucy, and William’s own death certificate state that he was born in Ireland.I think that “Aunt Jeanette” just had a good story and that Anna liked it.I have concluded that William and both of his parents were born in Ireland, but I still wonder if he might have come to the US by way of Canada.
The script on William’s death certificate is hard to read. His and his father’s birthplace is Ireland and his father’s name is “William”.His mother’s birthplace is not filled in.A consensus of several readers is that her name is given as “Francis”.It is almost certainly a first name.
In the 1900 Census, I found a Jeanette Oldfield living alone at 51 Nevins St. in Brooklyn, 29 years old, single, born Aug. 1870.Her place of birth is given as Canada, her father’s as England and her mother’s as NY.Her year of immigration 1889.These dates don’t seem to make a consistent story and don’t fit our William at all.I had given up on this one, but “Aunt Jeanette” was well known to Anna Hogan’s children in Brooklyn in the 1900 – 1920 time period. And your data shows an August birthday!
I think you probably have “Jenny / Jeannette B.” with a correct age in the 1880 Census.A birth about 1860 seems reasonable.The death certificate you have must also be your Jenny. The burial seems to verify it.The clipping puts her in Brooklyn in 1885 and my 1900 census might also be her, despite the meaningless dates.
Questions:(1) William’s death certificate states that he was in the US for 31 years (arrived 1857 or 58).But it also says he was in NYC that long.Is there anything in your data that states an immigration date for him?(2) Do you know if William was Catholic?His burial at The Evergreens rather than Calvary cemetery raises the question.It might be easier to find his birth in Irish records if he was not Catholic.
Answer:Ethelreda Hogan died Oct. 19, 1901 age 2 years 4 mo.She is buried in Calvary Cemetery.The inscription on the stone reads “Erected by Daniel & Annie Hogan in memory of their beloved daughter Ethelreda”.
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