It looks like we share the same gggf and ggggf. My brother did some research some years ago which reveals my ggggf was William Paling of Orston, Notts, who died in 1876 in the Claypole Union Workhouse, Lincolnshire. William Paling was married to Alice Paling (nee Asher). They had 11 children, one of whom was John. There was also a Thomas. At this point the spelling seems to change from Paling to Payling. My gggf was John Payling - born in 1829 in Fulbeck - married to Sarah Payling (nee Cobb). They had 15 children. My ggf was John Willey Payling - born in Rawmarsh, S.Yorks - the fifth child born in 1857. He was married to Harriet Payling (nee Oates) They had nine children. John Willey Payling died on 4.5.51 in Rawmarsh, S. Yorks, six days before I was born. So who was your gggf? Presumably it was one of the fifteen children of John and Sarah Payling?