Hi Ken,an older son Joseph was my greatgrandfather. I could not find him on the 1881 census. he would have been around 22yrs then. the only time I have ever found him was on the 1871 census with his family (12yrs old then) There is a descendent of I think Elizabeth living in Tasmania Australia. She contacted me a few years ago,only briefly though. Thank you for contacting me. Alice.