Thank you for responding. Richard was illiterate and age givenin court or society was not deemed to be that important, especially if it corresponded to your image. That was the first thing that attracted my attention, the fact that many people were placing their faith in one court statement. The other perception about the people on the Mayflower is based on another study, showing that the anti-government ministers at that time were being hounded by the local justices, and they fled to a ship in a nearby port to leave for Holland, but several changed their minds. At that time it was more important to bow to the wishes of the monarch, and those that did not do so, suffered the official consequences. When Age 72 benefits started for certain Social Security beneficiaries, the applicant had only to make a statement, and submit one document over 5 years of age, or an extract from the 1900 Census. I compared the ages recorded by SSA for several aunts and uncles in law, and the only one to tell the truth was the youngest male, and he submitted a church record of baptism! So, I traced the family in the 1910, 1920, and the 1930 Census. The 1900 census had disappeared. One uncle was listed under his mother as being single, but he was listed as head of his own household a few blocks away with a wife and a child. His mother gave the information to the census taker, she never acknowledged the other family. My wifes grandmother, gave three different ages in the census, she became several years younger in each of the more recent returns. The last one, she was 10 years younger. I can send you a copy of the church records if you want them, I retyped them in Word. Also, they are in the filmed book at Salt Lake city. I would still like to know what was in the Ipswitch Trial records, or where they are stored. In the book "A Pettingell Genealogy," the collector left out any mention of the Mormon leaders, Indian Marriages, and sorry I forgot the 3rd one. Several Pettengills in western NY were or listed as founding fathers in the Family History Library records. A lady at the local library showed them to me one day. George Pettingill kept detailed journal and bible entries for all of his descendants, except one, a son married in NY a woman who he discovered to be a Mohawk, so he kept the marriage data but never listed any children for John Pettingill.