Brian, thank you for your reply. You seem to know a lot about the earlier part of the Phetteplaces. When did the name change spellings? Was Adam the usher of Henry? From what lineage line are the brothers Michael and William? If I follow your wonderful genealogy page backwards, from PhIllip, Walter m Parnel Cole Francis b1540 Vincent 1460 Walterb 1415 John 1391and Henry. Therefore, John is brother to Sir Thomas Phetteplace who married Beatrice and therefore, not in direct lineage with the Portuguese royal family. Am I correct? However looking at the papers sent me by Ed of Nowrich, it shows us as descendents from Thomas? There lies my confusion. Please clarify if possible. Also the information regarding the Portuguese Princess is not entirely correct. According to Portuguese genealogists, Beatrice of Portugal, daughter of John the I and Ines Pires and sister of Afonso I , Ist Duke of Braganca, She was married as follows;married Thomas FitzAlan, 12 count of Arundel, Secondly, Gilbert Talbot, 5th Lord Talbot who left a daughter Ankaret Talbotand third to Thomas Phettiplace, who had a son John. Apparently in some books it also shows her married to John Holland Duke of Exeter in 1/20/1432. It's a fact that with her entourage, she had a lady in waiting, also named Beatriz, who also married an English gentleman. This Beatriz, was Beatriz Pinto of Portugal her name should be however, Beatriz Almada, daughter of D.Alvaro Vaz de Almada, Count of Avranches, and this one supposedly married the count of Arundel.? Confusing isn't it? Please look into your tree and clarify for me, as you are so much more familiar with it than me. Many thanks Maria Love the page Fortune and Grace.