This may cause some controversy among the propst/probst/propes researchers of the various lines of Rockingham /Page/ Shenandoah Co, of VA
With the help of other researchers and having made trips to Rockingham, Page, Shenandoah Co, of VA.I have come to the conclusion that Probst/Propst & Propes lines of the above mentioned VA. Counties which include the families Henry Propst & Elizabeth M. Kyger, Michael Propst & Mary Elizabeth Foltz, John Propes & Elizabeth Dovel, Mary Magdalene Probst & James Spencer, Elizabeth Propes mother of Martin V. Propes and (Susan T. Propes & Jacob Tutterrow married in TN.). Are the children of Nicholas Propes & Barbara Loker, that married in Dunmore/Shenandoah County, VA. on 30 Apr 1773.
If you were to take a look at a map of northern Rockingham and southern Page Co. VA. one will see where the names of the early settlers have various mountains, rivers/streams/runs named after them. Local county/church/cemetery records are full of these above mentioned names. But all of us have come to a point where there are no conclusive connections with certain people so we have to use some common sense thinking and that is where we stand with these particular families.
I will offer some correspondence I had with Peggy Giltner another researcher. You can see how I came to this conclusion.
You may already have seen this.Our library has vols. 1,2, and 4 of
this set, but for some reason does not have vol. 3, so I had not seen this
till this morning.
Source:Ancestry.com - historic records
Virginia Northern Neck Land Grants, Vol. III, 1775 - 1800
Book U page 97
U - 5:Jacob Keblinger asne. of Nicholas Probst heir at law to Adam Probst
85 A (6Aug 1771) in Frederick Co. adj Keblinger/Kevlinger, Probst, Joseph
Rhodes on Hawks Bill Br. of S. R. of Shanandoh.7 Aug 1789
This is tryped just as it appeared.I do not know if Nic was selling
the land, or just an unexercised warrant, or what exactly was happening, but
I feel that there has to be a settlement of Adam's estate somewhere in the
Frederick or Shanandoah records, which might name all of his children.I
have looked previously at several films from Frederick to no avail, but
still think it has to be there somewhere.
Just thought I would pass this along.........Peggy G.
Virginia Census, 1800-90 Record
about ADAM PROBST
Name: ADAM PROBST
County: Dunmore County
Township: Rent Rolls
Year: 1774, 1775 and 1776
Record Type: Rent Role
Database: VA Early Census Index
Looking at Nicholas Props of Shenandoah, Va:
The oldest record I have found was on the lds website:A marriage between
Nicholas Props (I don't remember how it was spelled) and Barbara Lokin on
April 30, 1773.
Also a marriage between Mary Magdalin Probst and James Spencer in 1796.
Nicholas Propst was on the 1787 census of Va. with nowhite males above 16,
other than himself.
In 1778 - Oct.29-Shenandoah, Va. Jacob Low, 8 yrs. old, son of John Low was
bound to Nicholas Probst. (U.S. Gen web, Shenandoah,Va.
The other few tax lists I have found from Shenandoah tells me that Nicholas
disappeared from Shenandoah about 1790, and I think he, or family members
went to Rockingham, because more Props started appearing there. (see below)
Nicholas Probst purchased fifty acres of a larger tract of land in
Shenandoah County, Va. "on Piney Mountain" from James Park and wife Juliana,
who got the tract from George Parks, who got it from Frederick Comer.Deed
index said 1790, but deed is datedApril 5, 1792. The old county line between
Shenandoah and Rockingham looks as if it ran threw Piney Mountain. So he
would not have moved far at all.
Anyway, There was a Nicholas Props in Rockingham Co. in 1793, 1799 and 1803
John Props- 1800, 1801, and 1803
Henry - 1802, 1805, 1807 1810 and on till 1813 when he died
Michael - 1807, 1809, 1810, 1811 and on till Page County was formed and I
believe that corner of Rockingham became Page.Looks like all these guys
married within a few years of each other and that's what makes me think they
were probably all from the same family.
Nicholas - just said married- April 30, 1773.
John/Elizabeth Dovil- 1800 (my 4th g grandparents)
Henry/Elizabeth Kyger - 1802
Michael/Elizabeth Fultz - 1809
Court records - Overseers of poor were ordered to bind Martin Propts(aged
6 yrs. 2nd. of October next) to Christian Kite to learn the trade of a
cooper.Court date was June 16, 1807.
(Can you imagine teaching a 5 year old to be a cooper)
Also - April 18, 1810 Martin Strickler becomes the guardian of Martin
Propts, orphan of Elizabeth Propts.William Short was the bondsman.
No info. on the father of baby Martin the orphan, except that he
was the orphan of Elizabeth Propts.
When I look at the 1810 Rockingham Co. census, several of these last names
are living on the same page, so to speak.Michael Propts,Kite, Strickler,
Short, Comer (who married Propes/Dovel) - and Doval.Also Fulse which
family baby Martin eventually married into.It leads me to believe that
there was some kind of intimate connection there between these families and
that your John Propes could well be a brother to Michael Propts of
Rockingham, and also a relative to baby orphan Martin.I guess that is
jumping to conclusions, but it is something to check out.
On April 13, 1795, Nicholas Probst and wife Barbara and James Parks and
wife Julia soldthe land in combination (one deed for both parties) to
Jacob Blauser.(deed index said 1792).
I believe the rule was that the purchase could be in the name of the
husband only, but a sale required the wife's consent also.This, should be
the Nicholas who married Barbara Lokin (sounds like) in 1773.
Court date June 23, 1773
Nicholas Probst ....Plt.
John Kepler Deft.
This suit is agreed between the parties
(I copied down a page no., but am not sure if it is the page in the book, or
page in the court record.It was p.191.)
Court date June 25, 1772
James Kennedy assignee of
Barbara Long....Plt. by petition
This day came the plantiff by her attorney...Defendant being duly
served...but came not....plt. produced deft. note for four pounds current
money...plaintiff recover against Deft. the same and her costs.
Page 20 of book - Page 34 of court records
(The index had this like Probest/Probst, Adam
Court date Nov. 27, 1772
This suit abates by the defendants death
Page 54 of book - Page 85 of court record
(These court records were transcribed and typed.They are very brief
So, Adam Probst now comes into play, having died by Nov. 27, 1772.
Most likely the father of Nicholas.
The tax records and marriage records that I refered to were all
Rockingham County.Tax was pers. prop. 1795-1812.I have seen no records
in Shenandoah on anyone other than Nicholas and now Adam.
The only records on either Nicholas or John was pers. prop.
Nicholas in 1799 and 1803.( I did see somewhere that he was on the
list in 1793, but can't remember exactly where I saw that.)No other
records anywhere in Rockingham and only what I have told you about in
Shenandoah.Only records on John in Rockingham were the Props/Doval
marriage and p.p. tax list in 1800, 1801, and 1803.No deeds for either of
them in Rockingham.No deeds for John in Shenandoah.
Michael Rockingham -No records in Shenandoah.Marriage records for
Michael in Rockingham are:
Michaelto Catherine Maglaughlin in 1787, by Zachariah Rexrode
Michael to Mary Fulse 1809
There is no indication as to whether this was the same Michael.The
1787 is supposed to be one of the Pendleton Co. Propsts, but I have no way
to tell for sure.
The will of David Fultz of Page County, Va. (Book A p.27) Dec. 30, 1831
leaves land to Michael Propes and names Elizabeth , his daughter as the wife
of Michael Propes.(I don't know about the names, Mary, or Elizabeth, if it
was the same girl and same marriage.
Anyway, Michael and Mary Propts of Rockingham supposedly went to
Illinois/Indiana in the 1830's and he died there.I will have to dig out some
papers for dates, but can't do so right now.Widow Mary is in the 1860
census in Vermillion, Ind.A daughter Mary was married to a Newlon in Edgar
Co. Ill., and there are some write-ups on sons Reuben and I think Isaac on
Heritagequest.I will dig that stuff our tomorrow, but for now, it is
widely circulated that this Michael ended up in Indiana via Ill.
Henry of Rockingham married Elizabeth Kiger in 1802 in Rockingham.He
was a soldier of the war of 1812 and died in 1813 in Rockingham County
leaving widow with 5 children.She was the daughter of Christian Kiger.
That is all documented in Chalkley's chronicles via the Augusta County
website - U.S. Gen web.
Virginia Census, 1800-90 Recordinfo
about NICHOLAS PROPES
Township:No Township Listed
Record Type:Tax list
Database:VA Early Census Index
END OF CORISPONDANCE.
Nicholas Propes dies in Knox Co. TN after the 1830 census. The families of a Jacob Low/Lough and James Spencer are found in Barren/Monroe Co. KY along with John Propes & Elizabeth Dovel.
Nicholas Propes parent are: Adam Probst & Maria Magdalena Neu of Hoffenheim, Germany.
When they arrived in Phila from Germany on Nov 8 1752 on the snow "Louisa", they had one son, Johann Michael, who came with them with his wife Maria Magdalena and four of her children from her previous marriage. They remained in Philadelphia, members of the St. Michael's and Zion Lutheran Church, where they were sponsors in 1753 for a child of Johann Jacob Baum.
By 1757, they had moved to Montgomery Co,PA. In 1757 and 1758, they were baptismal sponsors for children of Bernhard Gilbert, and again on Feb 5 1758 for a child of Friederich Baitenman, all at the New Hanover Lutheran Church. And on Sep 3 1758 for a child of Conrad Gilbert.
Adam was naturalized in Philadelphia on 10 Apr 1760. He was a shoemaker.
They raised two sons and three daughters.
Any comment, please feel free to give me your thoughts.
My webpage www.propes-history.com