hi gracie! i don't have any info on the bottom end of your family tree but am wondering if if your 1. jose antonio ramirez born 1811 married to maria josefa cuellar in 1841 was the son of2. jose antonio ramirez born 1784 at mier and married to? who was the son of 3. jose antonio ramirez born(and i have two dates for his birth one about 1734 and the other i think about 1747) at mier who was the son of jose cristobal Xptobal ramirez who's children's birth records give the oldest dates for the rio grande river area preceeding the establishments of any villages by 16 years. jose cristobal's first children's birth records are stated as at mier beginning at 1733 and the first city of the region camargo was not established until 1749. i think we might also be related through the cuellars and also through the velas .it seems josepha cuellars father was married several times with one marriage at mier.