The father of the 5 children you describe was Joseph, a 'Jumples ' Ramsden. He had a brother Thomas who,I believe was my gt.gt.gt.grandfather. However, there were so many Thomas Ramsdens in W Yorks at that time that I cannot be absolutely sure. Jumples records say that he left home about 1795 and was later lost at sea. If you have any details of this Thomas, particularly of his wife and children, I would be grateful to learn of them. I have a lot of information about the ancestors of Thomas and Joseph: I just lack firm data on Thomas's descendants.